Voodoo 5 5500 AGP freezes

  • Hello,


    I have a voodoo5 which crashes when running in dual chip mode in game. The problem occurs when 'guardband clipping' is enabled in the driver. (99% sure this is the problem). I have another working voodoo5 which does not have this problem. Both cards have the same 3d Mark score in 3dmark99 with both chips enabled, so I think the vsa100 chips are good.


    I have been working with someone over at vogons.org trying to fix this problem. All the card's caps have been replaced but this didn' work. Different BIOS also did not work.


    Maybe it has something to do with the card's power. Both cards run at 3.3v but the non working card goes from 3.0v to 3.3 while the good card goes from 2.8v to 3.3v. Anyway, that's all I have found out (aside from some resistance checks with the test points on the pcb).


    I'm still working with the person over at vogons, maybe someone from this board knows of this problem or someone has a suggestion/tip.


    Thanks! Hope English is ok, I'm Dutch and my German isn't much good.


    https://www.vogons.org/viewtop…25c5a7c1dada4ac37b0377da0

  • Hello and welcome :)


    Ah, okay. I should had read your posting on vogons first...


    I can't see anything on your card. The only thing I noticed is the replaced capacitor you mentioned.

    So my advice is now, that you check the soldering spots with a good magnifier. Maybe there somewhere a broken connection.

    The easier way is to leave GBC disabled ;)

    I.: (a + b)² = a² + 2ab + b²

    II.: (a - b)² = a² - 2ab + b²

    III.: (a + b) x (a - b) = a² - b²


    DAGEGEN, wenn andere DAFÜR sind.
    DAFÜR, wenn andere DAGEGEN sind.

    Einmal editiert, zuletzt von CryptonNite ()

  • Thank you, the capacitor on the picture is wrong. It is now replaced with a correct one.


    Yeah I could disable gbc. But I'm not 100% sure that is the problem, 99% but still :). Also, it would be cool to fix it as it is clearly not working properly (I need vcontrol to disable gbc. Reference 3dfx driver doesn't work because it locks up.) I'l probably have another look with a magnifier yeah.

  • There was a BIOS editor for Voodoos around a long time ago. I dunno if it can disable GBC permanently, but it's worth a try to find this piece of software.

    I.: (a + b)² = a² + 2ab + b²

    II.: (a - b)² = a² - 2ab + b²

    III.: (a + b) x (a - b) = a² - b²


    DAGEGEN, wenn andere DAFÜR sind.
    DAFÜR, wenn andere DAGEGEN sind.

  • There was a BIOS editor for Voodoos around a long time ago. I dunno if it can disable GBC permanently, but it's worth a try to find this piece of software.

    Maybe this bios editor? http://www.modlabs.net/files/tdfx-bios-editor

    Sorry, if this is the wrong editor...

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  • I can't read cyrillic ;)

    I.: (a + b)² = a² + 2ab + b²

    II.: (a - b)² = a² - 2ab + b²

    III.: (a + b) x (a - b) = a² - b²


    DAGEGEN, wenn andere DAFÜR sind.
    DAFÜR, wenn andere DAGEGEN sind.

  • XP-M 2600+, A7N8X-E, 1GB, Gainward Bliss 7800GS 512MB, XtremeMusic
    XP-M 2600+, 8K3A+, 1GB,
    V5 6000 AGP 3700, Audigy2 ZS
    XP 2200+, DFI AD75, 512MB, V5 5500 AGP 200MHz, Audigy Player
    PIII 1GHz SL4KL, P3B-F, 512MB, Asus V8420, Hercules V2 SLI 12MB, Diamond MX300

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  • Thanks guys, I'll have a look. However I still believe it's a hardware issue that can be fixed. Since I now have quite a bit of time and I enjoy diagnosing and fixing hardware, editing the bios is a step I will take when I'm sure there is nothing more I can do.


    When I have time I'll try different modes (glide, d3d) with guardband clipping off to be 100% sure. Yesterday I found that 3dmark99 ran with both chips and guardband disabled.


    Might be a good idea to disable it in the bios and then running tests. Didnt even know thats possible. Thanks!

  • So I did have a look at the bios editor, did not find a way to disable guardband clipping. Anyone know why it could freeze with it enabled? I'm currently looking at the power section of the card (near the molex connector). Maybe the setting causes a spike or decrease or whatever in power and it then freezes. I'm just thinking out loud here, more suggestions are appreciated!


    I did replace a bad resistor today and the card's power before conversion to 3.3v went from 2.8v to 2.6v. Still the same problem. I don't understand why the good card goes from 3.0v to 3.3v. I also noticed that both cards have different resistors on them (values). Maybe someone can upload a photograph of their voodoo5 showing some resistors?