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Samstag, 1. April 2017, 17:46

Hey all,

Today i updated my system and made benchmarks.

My components are actual:
Intel Pentium 4 2.00Ghz Willamette Socket 423m 256KB L2, 400Mhz FSB
ASUS P4T Rev. 1.07 With Intel i850 Chipset
2x 512MB PC-800-40 ECC Rambus Kingston Original
Leadtek A250 Geforce 4 Ti 4400
Creative Sound Blaster Live!
3-Com 3C905-TX 10/100Mbit Ethernet Card

I changed the graficcard from a Geforce 6800U to geforce4 Ti 4400. I think it is a better combination, the 6800U is absolutely overpowered for a P4 like this one. For my benchmark, i use 3D Mark 2001SE and Everest for the memory test. I was a little bit surprised. I get ony 8300 points with this setup. After that i overclocked the GF4 Ti 4400 @ 4600 with 300MHz coreclock and 650MHz memoryclock and the result were only about 200 pionts more to 8500. So, the GF4 Ti 4400 was the right choise, the GF 6800U would get bored. The memory performence looks better then the 3D Mark results. It can be measured with those of faster systems. RAMBUS :hre:

Specs of the new setup:


Leadtek A250 on the top:


Leatek A250 with a backplate:




My memory update:


3D Mark 2001SE @ GF 4400


3D Mark 2001SE @ GF 4600


Memory Reading:


Memory Write:


Memory Latency:


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Dienstag, 4. April 2017, 17:24

Hah that is some amazing work there man! :respekt: :respekt: :respekt: Love the cables you use btw, would be nice for my Dual Xeon MP 3000 Gallatin,
Well I could help ya max out that ram a bit, just to get rid of them terminators :)
As I do have 2x 256MB ECC PC_800-45ns Samsung Original laying around for a, then you have 1.5GB ram in total instead of 1GB :)
If you are interested send me a PM bud :)


Thing is I seek the longest possible ATA-133 cables then the types you are using, if you have any idea;s please message me :)

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Donnerstag, 6. April 2017, 20:10

This are my IDE round cables, which i have.


my longest cable is 60cm (form black to blue). For me, it is absolutely enough. A cable with a lenght of 45cm would also ok, to connect the CD Drive with my IDE Port.

At ebay i found 75cm version of the same cable, which i use:
http://www.ebay.de/itm/IDE-Rundkabel-UDM…PqMB9axGchhLFyw
There are also a 60cm version:
http://www.ebay.de/itm/IDE-Rundkabel-UDM…PUAAOSwal5YMCXI

Thank you for your offer, but i have also some 256MB Modules of RDRAM. Unhappily all are with 45ns:


I would like to update my ram with the same modules, which i actually use. This would be:
KVR800A18-16/512 (800-40-ECC)
KTM8431AE2/1G (Kit of two KVR800A18-16/512)

Maybe:
KVR800A16-16/512 (800-40-nonECC)
KTD-DM800A/1G (Kit of two KVR800A16-16/512)

Did you run any benchmark with your system and your GF4 Ti 4600? I would be interesting to know, how good your system is. For many couple of years, i used an AMD 2000+ on an A7V266-E Board with 1GB DDR266 and a Geforce 4600, it was a very faithful system.

On this system i reached a 3D Mark 2001SE score near 12000 points and with this P4 i reached only 8500 points. This is very devastating.
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Freitag, 7. April 2017, 06:48

My Ti-4600 gave issues like scrambled screen output, so my 4 has a Leadtek GeForce 6800 AGP 128MB instead.
I think my Ti-4600 can be fixed, just not by me.

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Donnerstag, 13. April 2017, 21:26

I still looking for the handbrake in my system :grr: Can you show me your BIOS settings?

I found a Benchmark at CB with a P4 2.0A, RDRAM and a GF4 Ti 4600 and the get over 10.000 points in 3D Mark 2001SE. (like my historical AMD Setup)
https://www.computerbase.de/2002-08/test…mit-2.8-ghz/14/

Which driver have you installed?
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Mittwoch, 19. April 2017, 20:50

Hey sorry for being away, had it busy with my communities for Primal Carnage Extinction & The Isle.

The driver I used was the best for NV25-NV40 aka ForceWare 84.21 WHQL 8)
You can grab this driver from here:
http://www.nvidia.com/object/winxp_2k_84.21.html

As for the Bios settings sure, here the pics I made of mine:

Main:


Advanced:


Chip Configuration:


I/O Device Configuration:


Power:


Boot:



Here my result after a default run in 3D mark 2001 SE Build 330 :spitze:


So hey for the best Dual Intel CPU based system money could buy in Dec 2003 / Jan 2004 20802 3D Marks is pretty good I think :topmodel:
No OC everything default, as I want to most accurate result of this 15.000 USD Dual Xeon Gallatin 3Ghz from that time with maxed out CPU's & RDRAM 8)

My P4 2Ghz gets 10714 3D Marks with a Leadtek GeForce 6800 AGP 128MB 256Bit DDR1. 12 Pixel Shaders and 5 Vertex Shaders
The 6800 GT AGP 256MB 256Bit GDDR3 has 16 Pixel Shaders and 6 Vertex Shaders.

Anyways here the score of my P4 2Ghz, the CPU was obviously the major bottleneck here:


The Dual Intel XeonMP Gallatin 3Ghz with it's 6800 GT AGP 256MB Destroys this P4 2Ghz with it's 6800 AGP 128MB by a mile, then again the P4 2Ghz is holding the 6800 AGP 128MB Back, it truly shows.

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Freitag, 28. April 2017, 13:02

Hey all,

I recieved a package today ^^ with more RDRAM. I brought a kit of Kingston KTM8431AE2/1G (Kit of two KVR800A18-16/512). Totally, i have now 4x 512MB moduls with PC800-40ns.


But, my first suprise came, as i pluged the moduls in to the slot. They were a little bit smaller (not so high) as my other Kingston kit. But you can see, the sticker at the moduls tslls us, that they are from Kingston. After i start the system, cpu-z shows me, that my intuition was right. It is a labeled RDRAM kit from Kingston, but the chips are from Samsung. On the screen shot you can see, at Slot 1 (and Slot 3) which is my first kit from Kingston and at Slot 2 (and Slot 4) is the new one.


But nevertheless, everything is alright :thumbsup: My system identify the total memory size from 2048MB





@Gold Leader

Thank you for pictures, which you take from your BIOS screens. I tested some settings, but it doesn't improve the performance. I leave it as it is now.
The ForceWare 93.71 is the last driver, which you can use for WinXP. But with my question, i mean the mainboard driver. I use Intel Chipset Software 6.3 and Intel Application Accelerator 2.3. Is this the same as yours?
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Freitag, 28. April 2017, 14:21

No chipsetdrivers here WinXP installed the latest WDM's for that automatically via Windows Update. odd that my ram only counts to 1984MB over 2048MB...
my system sees 1.93GB over 2.00GB which is strange.

My board only works stable with Bios 1.006 Beta 04, I see you have Bios 1.008 Beta 01, interesting.
Even so I have 4x 512MB PC-800-40ns ECC , might eb because my ram is ECC hmm...still weird.

The Dual XeonMP 3Ghz Gallatin detects all the ram as 2048MB aka 2.00GB so that runs fine.
My Supermicro P4DCE+II has also the latest bios which is version 1.3

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Mittwoch, 17. Mai 2017, 22:19

Did you try the Bios version 1.008 Beta 01, to use the full 2048MB RAM? I selected "non-ECE" for the Data Integrity Mode. I found a articel at tom'sHardware to improve the performance by better Bios settings:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/bios-tuning,346.html
They also take a lock at the Bios from the ASUS P4T.

Gold Leader you are full of inspiration :spitze: I hope this box arrive in some days. Do you have any idea what it could be :whistling:

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Donnerstag, 18. Mai 2017, 10:19

Did you try the Bios version 1.008 Beta 01, to use the full 2048MB RAM? I selected "non-ECE" for the Data Integrity Mode. I found a articel at tom'sHardware to improve the performance by better Bios settings:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/bios-tuning,346.html
They also take a lock at the Bios from the ASUS P4T.

Gold Leader you are full of inspiration :spitze: I hope this box arrive in some days. Do you have any idea what it could be :whistling:



This is my guess



I am not gonna say which board :topmodel:

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Dienstag, 23. Mai 2017, 01:26

Today I started to work on this system again and every time I play Q3A Point Release 1.32 and I want to change the graphical settings I keep getting this:


Even I uninstalled the PC Flashed V5 5500 PCI Mac, and using the ASUS GF 6800 GT AGP as main VGA card.
Unless there is a way to clear out all 3dfx drivers remains..

All I can think of doing is reinstall the system a new without a 3dfx card in it.
Since the P4 2Ghz doesn't have this issue and it's using the same type of VGA card a Leadtek GeForce 6800 AGP 128MB
With the same drivers as well ForceWare 84.21 WHQL :gadget:

Any idea's?

Did you try the Bios version 1.008 Beta 01, to use the full 2048MB RAM? I selected "non-ECE" for the Data Integrity Mode. I found a articel at tom'sHardware to improve the performance by better Bios settings:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/bios-tuning,346.html
They also take a lock at the Bios from the ASUS P4T.

Gold Leader you are full of inspiration :spitze: I hope this box arrive in some days. Do you have any idea what it could be :whistling:



I tried that I could not start up the system it seems the memory I am using being ECC Server RDRAM from Samsung Original has an issue with my ASUS P4T if I use a newer Bios than 1.006 Beta 4.
I could try swapping ECC memory with the Dual Xeon MP and the P4 but I doubt that doing anything.
The Supermicro P4DCE+II is the board I am using it has the latest Bios which is Bios 1.3.

Also make sure you have a P4DCE+II, because the non + version can't have Xeon DP's & MP's faster than 2.4Ghz ;)

@ Kaitou
That one you pictured is the P4DCE, not the board you want.
The P4DCE+II has a heatsink on the top right VRM's as you can see here:


Which is the one I use which has max CPU Support of 2x Intel Xeon MP 3Ghz with 4MB L3 Cache per CPU.
And my system has those CPU's thankfully 8)

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Montag, 17. Juli 2017, 20:00

Been looking around found this thread at hardwareluxx.de, some very cool Dual XeonMP 3Ghz HT Gallatins on some Iwill DF-400-SN's and a MSI Clone of that board:
https://www.hardwareluxx.de/community/f2…ml#post23187460

Here the system from Chris-AMD-Freak a Dual XeonMP 3Ghz HT Gallatin on an Iwill DF-400 SN:


Here the Iwill DF-400 SN motherboard:


And here it's memory riser card named Iwill MEC8:


And here the system from A-Tom , also featuring a Dual XeonMP 3Ghz HT Gallatin but with a MSI MS-6508 Ver.1:


Here the MSI MS-6805 Ver.1 motherboard:


And the memory riser card named MSI MS-6942 Ver.2:


Quite similar to Iwill's idea for their Iwill DF-400-SN :)

These Ram cards support 8x 1GB Rambus RDRAM max PC-800-40ns support,, so I guess Win Server 2003 x86 Server would be needed to allocate all that ram?
Even being a 32 Bit system.

As that 3dfx issue goes, I think I may need to reinstall it so just use the ASUS GeForce 6800 GT AGP 256MB GDDR3 from the start without the PC Flashed 3dfx Voodoo5 5500 PCI Mac 64MB.
Because somehow I can't tend to remove that error, even if I remove all 3dfx device files as well, it keeps re-happening.

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Dienstag, 18. Juli 2017, 08:16

Rdram

Just one correction, because there is still some confusion about this: The Intel 82860 memory controller hub will not work with 8×1GiB of RAM. The maximum supported memory configuration per module is 256Mbit × 16 devices, making it 4096Mbit or 512MiB per module. The 82860 will not work with 512Mbit devices (don't even exist afaik) nor with 32 devices per module. Hence, [4GiB per system] (pg. 12).

The only platform that works with 1GiB RDRAM modules is the 64-bit HP/DEC Alpha 21364 "Marvel", or EV7 RISC processor that features 5-Channel RDRAM memory controllers in the CPU core (4 channels for data, 1 channel for parity, like RAID-5). There is no x86 platform that can use those modules as to my knowledge.

ServerWorks could've done something about that, but seemingly didn't... they went for DDR instead. A shame, if you ask me.

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Dienstag, 18. Juli 2017, 14:05

Just one correction, because there is still some confusion about this: The Intel 82860 memory controller hub will not work with 8×1GiB of RAM. The maximum supported memory configuration per module is 256Mbit × 16 devices, making it 4096Mbit or 512MiB per module. The 82860 will not work with 512Mbit devices (don't even exist afaik) nor with 32 devices per module. Hence, [4GiB per system] (pg. 12).

The only platform that works with 1GiB RDRAM modules is the 64-bit HP/DEC Alpha 21364 "Marvel", or EV7 RISC processor that features 5-Channel RDRAM memory controllers in the CPU core (4 channels for data, 1 channel for parity, like RAID-5). There is no x86 platform that can use those modules as to my knowledge.

ServerWorks could've done something about that, but seemingly didn't... they went for DDR instead. A shame, if you ask me.

Oh okay didn't know that tbh, my two RDRAM systems also have 4x 512MB PC-800-40ns RDRAM, yet I did find 1GB PC-800-40ns ECC RDRAM RIMMS on ebay, could be that these were for those 64-bit HP/DEC Alpha 21364 "Marvel", or EV7 RISC systems you mentioned:
http://www.ebay.ie/itm/1GB-Samsung-MR18R…353.m1438.l2649

They look like double stacked 512MB modules 2x 512MB in a single package:


Even after emailing Supermicro about the max RDRAM support of my Supermicro P4DCE+II they said 4x 512MB was max, but even if that is true, I am still willing to try out four of those 1GB modules.
Hence being the exact same memory type, in theory the motherboard would just read out all the ram it can detect right?

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Dienstag, 18. Juli 2017, 14:47

Rdram

It could work... that just 16 of the 32 devices on the module are detected and you'd get 512/1024MiB. But there is no way to be sure without testing it, I don't know anyone who has actually tried that.

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Donnerstag, 20. Juli 2017, 23:11

Actually i'm a little busy, so i have not the time, which i want to have to build at my systems.
But befor a while, i had a chance to get a Supermicro P4DCE+. :hre: The P4DCE+ supports as the P4DCE+II with the last Bios the big Pentium 4 Xeon 3 Ghz HT with 4MB L3 Cache. And with luck, it will be possible that two of them will arrive tomorrow.



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Freitag, 21. Juli 2017, 00:58

Hay nice man almost the same mobo I am using with 2x 3Ghz XeonMP Gallatins Love it man!!!!!! :respekt: :respekt: :respekt:
I have the Supermicro P4DCE+II only diff is the VRM Heatsink and that can help bringing down VRM temps, not much different than that part though.

Here's my board 8)


So how ya find that board man?

it would be nice if you can grab a pair of VERAX Polargate Copper coolers, they keep my two 3Ghz XeonMP's @ 44 a 46C max load :)

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So how ya find that board man?

it would be nice if you can grab a pair of VERAX Polargate Copper coolers, they keep my two 3Ghz XeonMP's @ 44 a 46C max load :)

I found the board at ebay. http://www.ebay.de/itm/Motherboard-MSI-P…n-/282466239206

Here they are, my pair of two Gallatins 3Ghz XeonMP with 4MB CL3:


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I have also thought about which coolers i could use. Now a days it is absolutly impossible to find two VERAX Polargate Copper, but i found some other cooler which i could use. I found this pair at ebay, and i think, i would take them. What do you think?

http://www.ebay.de/itm/X7DBN-Motherboard…71/191574348105

About the MOSFET cooling, I have already thought. I need a Heatsink with a length of 7cm (max 7,5cm) and a width of (exactly, there is no more space) 2,5cm.


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I found two Heatsinks at ebay, which are usable.
First choice: http://www.ebay.de/itm/5pc-100x25x10mm-A…or/142363768894
Second choice: http://www.ebay.de/itm/50x25x25mm-Alumin…ng/111737348944
I think the first one is the better choice. I only have to reduce the length and every thing is alright. But the slats (ger.: Lamellen ?) are only 1cm high. The second one has slats with a high of 2,5cm, but i have to fit together two parts.

To fix the heatsink on the MOSFET, i would take thermal pads/tape. I think this will be enough.
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Gestern, 16:43

you need coolers for Socket 603/604 not LGA 771. But grats on this find, you'll love them 3Ghz Gallies hah got two myself xD

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Gestern, 16:47

you need coolers for Socket 603/604 not LGA 771. But grats on this find, you'll love them 3Ghz Gallies hah got two myself xD

There is no problem, Sockel 423, 603, 604 and 771 have the some mounting system and hole spacing.

Sockel 423 = 38,10 * 81,28 mm
Sockel 603 = 38,10 * 81,28 mm
Sockel 604 = 38,10 * 81,28 mm
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