Voodoo 5 5500 AGP4x Slot // 1.5V kompatibel Ja oder Nein?!

UT2k4 läuft mit dem letzten offiziellen Treiber von 3Dfx unter Win9x ganz gut. Klar, man kann die Grafik nicht bis zum Anschlag aufdrehen, denn dann geht den Voodoos der RAM aus und es ruckelt vom Feinsten
Der AM 3.1 funktioniert recht gut, stürzt bei mir jedoch reproduzierbar im 3DMark 2001 SE ab. Erst ab dem SFFT Alpha 33 funktioniert der Benchmark wieder, wenn auch unterirdisch lahm.

Der Amigamerlin 3.1 R11 basiert auf irgendeinem älteren SFFT Alpha (D3D-Komponenten).

MfG,
Raff

Ja, auf dem SFFT Alpha 29. Der geht auch nicht. Nach meinen Tests funktioniert der SFFT Alpha im 3DMark 2001 SE von der Version 33 bis zur 59. Alle Versionen vorher zeigen nen tollen BSOD und alle 1.x zeigen Bildfehler (siehe Screenshot-Thread). Ich muss aber dazu sagen, daß ich ne Kombo einsetze, die es nicht so oft gibt: P4 Prescott 2,8 GHz, ASRock GE Pro M2, 1 GB DDR400, Voodoo 5 5500 AGP.
Der AM 3.1 ist allerdings extrem schnell, so wie ich das noch beurteilen kann, bevor das System ins Blaue glidet
Das Gilde des SFFT 1.9 ist auch extrem schnell, sogar schneller als unter Win9x. Mein Treiber bestünde also aus nem SFFT Alpha 59 + Glide ausm SFFT 1.9.

Aber wir driften zu weit vom Thema ab

Das stimmt, der 3D Mark 2000 Wert ist definitiv sehr niedrig, bekomme da mit meiner V5 + 8K5A3+ und Athlon XP @ 2,4 7632 Punkte...

Vielleicht liegts auch daran, dass du Win XP nutzt, mag die Voodoo (oder deren Treiber) ja nicht sooo sehr.

Be ware with V5 AGP4x. I am sure card is not fully compatible AGP 1.5V. With my ABIT IS7 I handled to get it working but it never run ok. All the scores in test bench was very low and more when FSAA was enabled. Finally card dead for NOT right voltage- this is my opinion. Well, my card was an A1, but I think A2 will behaviour in same manner.

There are others cards looks with an universal AGP4x as PROHET 4500 card but it only work 3.3V. There is a manner to check it via Multimeter. Here it worked fine but not sure if it is a definitive and real manner to test it. Check PINA2 to GROUND with a multimeter set 0hom. 0 mean 3.3V and 1 means 1.5V compatible.

Good luck,
Oscar.

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Hi Oscar, the card runs fine and very cool, no instability issues at all. It runs with 1.5v (meassured this on pin B40). The 3DMark99 MAX scores are normal and the cpu score also normal for an A64 system. Only 3DMark2000 scores are too low... mainly because of way too low CPU scores, which I think is a driver bug or a 3DMark related problem.

Hi Dominik,

Oky, please test PINA2 and let me know. Perhaps I am wrong.

Regards,
Oscar.

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Be ware with V5 AGP4x. I am sure card is not fully compatible AGP 1.5V. With my ABIT IS7 I handled to get it working but it never run ok. All the scores in test bench was very low and more when FSAA was enabled. Finally card dead for NOT right voltage- this is my opinion. Well, my card was an A1, but I think A2 will behaviour in same manner.

There are others cards looks with an universal AGP4x as PROHET 4500 card but it only work 3.3V. There is a manner to check it via Multimeter. Here it worked fine but not sure if it is a definitive and real manner to test it. Check PINA2 to GROUND with a multimeter set 0hom. 0 mean 3.3V and 1 means 1.5V compatible.

Good luck,
Oscar.

I think your card died for something else, maybe was already malfunctioning ... or something went wrong during the trip. The weird performances of which you are speaking seems to be a clue in that sense. Moreover, the A1 you owned for a while was clearly a 'prototype'. It had the NFR stickers that proved that was an ES card, so we have no info about the way that card worked or not. These A2's instead, dunno if all the A2's, but these which came out from eBay lately aren't ES cards. They don't have NFR stickers but have even "warranty" stickers instead.
In the end there is no evicence that a voltage lower than 3.3V could damage the card. Maybe the fact that the card works successfully at 1.5V doesn't prove that it's safe either (actually it does if you ask me), but at the moment it shows the card can work at 1.5V, as the Voodoo4 4500 already do and the VSA-100 datasheet always stated.

Actually, to check if the card is wired to accept 1.5V signal you should expect 0 on the display of your multimeter, not 1.
Multimeter has to be set on the highest value of resistance (to be safe), one lead to the A2 TYPEDET# pin, the other lead to the ground.
For reading = 1, A2 TYPEDET# is not connected, the device accepts 3.3V signal.
For readings = 0 or /= 1, A2 TYPEDET# is grounded, the device accepts 1.5V signal.

A2 pin is open on the KyroII 4500, so the card normally accepts 3.3V. But actually the STG4500 can accept 1.5V signal too, you have just to weld a jumper on the PCB which once closed put A2 to the ground. This way you make AGP4x bus rate available to the card.
On the Voodoo5 5500 REVA (the regular one) A2 TYPEDET# is open, you can see with naked eyes that the pin is not linked to anything, so the card is detected as 3.3V device.
On the Voodoo5 5500 REVA2 A2 TYPEDET# is grounded, so the card accepts both 3.3V and 1.5V. On the platforms following the AGP 2.0 standard you can always force 3.3V signal card detection by masking the A2 pin.

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I think your card died for something else, maybe was already malfunctioning ... or something went wrong during the trip. The weird performances of which you are speaking seems to be a clue in that sense. Moreover, the A1 you owned for a while was clearly a 'prototype'. It had the NFR stickers that proved that was an ES card, so we have no info about the way that card worked or not. These A2's instead, dunno if all the A2's, but these which came out from eBay lately aren't ES cards. They don't have NFR stickers but have even "warranty" stickers instead.

I was wrong. I was checking my notes and I saw my dead card was an A2 and not A1 and it never had NFR stickers. I dont know if previous owner removed them. Rolo01 has another A2, we got them from same source and he not had luck with his card. It only worked ok 3.3V At least It is what I remember. Though sloomy owns an A1 and seems he handled to run the card correctly with an Intel motherboard 1.5V.

Here my dead V5 agp4x A2 card.
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4383540/V5_A…4x_3Dfx_FAN.jpg
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4383540/V5_AGP4x/v5_4x_BACK.jpg

[Blockierte Grafik: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4383540/V5_AGP4x/V5_AGP4x_POWERSTRIP.jpg]

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Actually, to check if the card is wired to accept 1.5V signal you should expect 0 on the display of your multimeter, not 1.

Right, it must be 0 and not 1.

Hoping what Dominik tell us later he can do hard test with the card.

Regards,
Oscar.

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Same week and revsion as mine card, BUT mine doesn't have the power mosfet circuit (Q1/2). It's possible that this had some effect on your card.

Very interesting. If I am not wrong the Power Mosfet is who handle the voltage to give 2.8Vcore to the chip. Yesss, here could be the problem on my card.

Regards,
Oscar.

Vielleicht funktioniert die Karte wieder, wenn man die betreffenden Bauteile entfernt?

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What does this tell us? If I plug the V5 AGP4x in a board using AGP universal slot it gives 3.3v.

If you ask me the Rev A2 card is safe to be used in any kind of AGP board, beside AGP 8x only (AGR or XGR...). EDIT: 3dfx did everything right here. The Rev A2 work with 3.3v in AGP1.0 and universal boards; 1.5v on AGP4x notched boards.

Jetzt wäre noch interessant zu wissen, wieso meine Karte nur auf AGP-1.0-Brettern bootet. Power Mosfet?

MfG,
Raff

Also ich hoffe ich versteh dein Fragezeichen hinter power mosfet nun richtig. Falls nicht, einfach mein Post ignorieren

Wenn du dir die front von Oscars Karte snsiehst, hast du ganz rechts unten ein schwarzes Bauteil mit drei metallenen Streben,
die auf der Platine verlötet sind (Q1/Q2 - steht links davon) wobei bei mir auch bei C81 kein Kondensator(?) sitzt.

Also Löschzwergs seine Karte hat diese Bauteile (also zumindest auf Q1/Q2) nicht verbaut und verträgt sich wohl vielleicht
deswegen mit AGP4x.

Danke für die Bestätigung. Meine Karte verfügt ebenfalls nicht über dieses Bauteil, die Stelle ist frei.

Wo ist C81 und welche Relevanz könnte das haben?

MfG,
Raff