Stunning work. Just stunning! Please consider the production of a larger batch - I'd LOVE to fetch one and do more testing like this: https://www.pcgameshardware.de/3dfx-Voodoo-Ha…pecial-1246582/
Best regards,
Raff
thank you. will consider that.
very nice testing indeed. good job.
i dunno if it possible to use it as a dedicated 3d accelerator. have doubts
What's the technical difference between the original 6k and yours when it comes to that?
no difference
i dunno if it possible to use it as a dedicated 3d accelerator. have doubts
this card could be used in conjunction with another agp accelerator and accept passthru vga signal. it is an optional feature
all 3dfx trademarks expired about few years ago. i don't see any problem with that. i'm tempted very much to use a small 3dfx logo on the box. but all that is still under consideration.
Very interesting, just finished it. Though I must say, your card is one of those "very different" projects he speaks of, and I doubt you'd want to sell via a distribution chain given the low volume of cards you're likely going to produce. That's especially true when giving chip availability a quick thought; VSA-100's aren't going to be available at a significant number I suppose, and they probably aren't right now? Thus, you're not even remotely going to come close to a batch of a 1000 units, just my assumption of course.
I allow myself to further assume that it just comes down to bill of materials, transport logistics (very smart of him to mention that), manufacturing, your own hourly wages (R&D, testing, administration, support) as well as failure rates & RMA. Taxes I suppose, if it's going to be an official business (at wich point I'd be a bit wary of nVidia shitting on your cake, so branding should be considered wisely).
Naturally, if you do everything yourself, you'd need to invest a LOT more time into the whole thing (and it'd be mostly mundane and boring tasks), but given the supposedly low volume we're dealing with here, it'd probably be fine to not rely on additional parties? No?
*Mind you, I've never been into this business, so I may be overlooking quite a few things here.
you're right. some things cost much less for me, some much more, especially if we're talking about cost in man-hours. but a main idea in this video is obvious, even a batch with 1000pcs price should be 2.5x more. less the number more the multiplier. if i'll ever go to a sale with such an expensive card i'll have to pay taxes from every sale, overwise they will notice my transactions sooner or later and i'll get seriuos fines.
btw. even such a huge company as apple is close to that 2.5x - 3 multiplier
alright, take a seat for a 26mins. the economics of selling hardware:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwrkfHadeQQ&t=309s
then, take alooks at the comments
Alles anzeigen@GoldLeader,
The price is more then Fair!
let me do a little (fully incorrect) Calculation:
150 -200 Euro PCB
50 Euro 4 GPUs
160 - 200 Euro Memory (16 Chips)
150 - 300 Euro the other Parts (plx, Caps, etc)
500 Euro 20h/25 Euro Building / Testing the Card (if that is enough I dont know where you live, here in Germany you would get payed much more for that kind of work)
1250 - 1300 Euro Building one Card alone without the Engineering, Prototyping etc.
no, it is calculating in a different manner. main point is: price must be at least 2.5 times more than a production cost. i can elaborate if you interested.
what i have to say. at this time i have only 2 assembled boards. both of them performs quite well on my opinion. at this week i'll send one board to a independed tester. maybe he'll say that board is trash, so nothing to talk about no more. let's wait a little.
Just a thought - have you considered designing it as a PCI Express x1 card? Is that possible with another bridge chip? Then you eliminate the bandwith bottleneck legacy PCI and there are plenty Platforms out there you could use the card with the latest XP32 drivers (socket 754/939/AM2/AM3, 775 11xx and so on). And some of them can also be used with good old Win9x
Somehow I 'd really like to see a PCIe Voodoo
problem is: 6152 or hint bridge is hardcoded in drivers. only possible solution is to make uncouth construction as bridge behind bridge. or drivers patching required
I'm not sure I'm with you on that. There are some pretty taxing Glide games out there as well, such as Descent³ or Freespace 2 (the nebula missions!). I doubt all games would pre-load the entire set of textures for a level (or area) into VRAM? It's more likely to happen while playing, no? There's also other things that need to move from system RAM to VRAM all the time, like geometry data?
Voodoo 5 cards have been known to be quite dependent on bus bandwidth, so maybe that concern is valid. If I were to buy one of your 6000 remakes, I'd rather put it into a 66MHz slot on its own, dedicated PCI bus.
But you said the final design will have the 66MHz notch anyway, right? So no problem.
q3 with max textures is a good test imho, i don't see any significant difference on bus speed. but if you have something else, pls apply some numbers, i'll accept.
anyway, pls consider my existing cards as a prototypes. new features could be implemented in future.
i have a good example how original v56k card perfoms on a 33mhz bus (via famous agp to pci adapter). take a look: https://www.modlabs.net/articles/novaj…agp-glava-2/p/5
. The components, especially the eletrolytic caps are going to be a serious issue in the upcoming future and I personally love, that your redesign uses todays possibilities when it comes to building a clean, efficient power supply.
yep, i like very much texas instrumens power modules, 10a each. and you could see that i use no electrolytic caps at all at any of my designs.
purchasing my cards is not a mandatory. i think it's better to this forum if i say: do not buy any of my cards
you got it
Maybe you can redesign this part of your card to make it possible that the card can fit in this kind of PCI-X slot.
If not, I think it will lose a lot of possible performance.
that's correct. i should make goldinger for these slots. but if you prefer glide only games with such card, performance will be the same on both 33 and 66mhz buses, since textures resides in onborad memory.
Alles anzeigenThank you,
what i Mean with the PSU, i dont see that many Caps.
I dont want the Card to die when the PC PSU makes something stupid like 14 V on the 12 Volt Line or something like that.
Maybe this would be nice to read for you?
Scrapyard Voodoo 5 - Resurrection
But get me on the List for a Card. I will Take one
i believe my power solution is better than the 3dfx one
I am pretty sure if you would give a little shout in this forum you would probalbly get more VSAs as you might need :). Personally, I have eight VSA 320s left and I assume many members could also offer more.
Meaning no pressure in creating cards ofc, just saying :).
that's not a convenient way to collect components, but i'll keep in mind, thanks
Alles anzeigenI have 4 VSA100 320 we could use for my card.
Sorry my English is not the Best.
If you build the Card with the Universal PCI Slot, it would be possible to put it in every PCI/PCI-x Slot. 32bit/33mhz, 64bit/33mhz, 64bit/66mhz, 64bit/100mhz, 64bit/133mhz. Does the VSA100 and your bridge Chip handle a 100 or 133mhz PCI Slot?
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/comm…/PCI_Keying.svg
Ok i think a 66mhz PCI Slot will be the safe way to go about it.
I like your Card and i want one. 200mhz / 256 mb would be realy nice.
Im not indepth with the Electrics, but is the PSU enough? It would be bad, if the Card would be killed because it gets some wrong Voltages ....
Maybe i want to test some Bios for the V5 6k, and i want to have the possibilität to swap the Chip on a missflash/ take a extern writer to fix the chip.
only 66mhz bus is possible
this card drains 5a from 12v line
never saw killed bios chip but with all the rest alive. bios on bricked card always can be flashed as usual if you make a boot with other vga card
All good man you do you, no one is forcing you on what to do or what not to do, personally I prefer original cards as do many others I know and are friended to for many odd years, but hey if you can make people happy with your work that is a nice achievement and I am sure there are some people out there that will gladly be interested to buy these cards when you think they are ready to be sold
my cards have their own advantages. moreover, they are assembled from only new or nos components and i'm offering 12 month warranty.
i'm thinking on how to produce considerable amount of these cards, but i don't want to invest much in production. so, most likely, i'll keep slowly make assembly by myself, about 1 card in week or two. until i get bored. my interest in making something new, not to do the robot job, pls accept.
maybe i'll inqure pcb manufacturer on partially assembled cards. i'm not happy to assemble everything by myself. so final price mainly depends on organization of assembly process.
Alles anzeigen@Anthony:
Good Work
does the Card run with 133/100 mhz PCI slots?
can you build it with 256mb?
It would be nice if you put the BIOS chip into a socket.
I think, i would like to take a Card with 320 gpus, when it is working.
don't understand what 100/133mhz pci slot you mean. it able to operate on 100 mhz pci-ex via pci to pci-ex adapter. it can work on 66mhz pci slot too.
all address lines are routed, so 64mb per chip configuration is possible
just wondering why you may need a socketed bios chip?
no 320 chips available no more, someone killed all stock of these, sorry
A digital image is not created the same way as a RAMDAC does it for an analog image.
If the chips have no dedicated framebuffer where the entire image is stored with proper synchronization, you'll have to build something yourself and that's maybe not even possible. Thinking about the amount of effort that went into this card I'm pretty sure Anthony thought this through properly and came to the conclusion that it's not really feasible at this point.
I'm really looking forward to see this masterpiece do its magic.
maybe with some sort of fancy fpga it is possible to combine two streams of digital rgb signals. anyway a LOT of efforts required to make some changes to any existing 3dfx project
