New World Project : 3dfx Voodoo 5 6000 Gold Second Edition @186 mhz

  • Hello everybody,


    Amazing new :

    I have 3dfx prototype card : Voodoo 5 6000 3700 A / Hyundai 6ns / Hank's Rework.

    I change all 16 Hyundai 6ns sdram by 3.5ns 128bit 86pin sdram.

    Here is my New World Project named 3dfx Voodoo 5 6000 Gold Second Edition @186 mhz by default.

    Full working card.

    Video inside : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZAPxMqISag


    By Trevormacro

    3 Mal editiert, zuletzt von n950 (11. Oktober 2011 um 16:23)


  • Don't do it
    -
    my suggestion.

    Yap, I am the same opionion! These cards are too rare to modify them dead! :adsh:

    Take a normal Voodoo5 5500 and do this, that a good project and enought of them avivable as of a rare prototyp like the voodoo5 6000 regardless of the revision!!

    I hope you take our advice seriously!

    Be glad when she runs in this condition ;) :spitze:

    3dfx für die Ewigkeit...und noch viel viel weiter :topmodel:

    Suche....

    Einmal editiert, zuletzt von Wild_Bill (11. Oktober 2011 um 14:51)

  • Most v5 6000 cards are limited by the VSA-100 anyway.

    My own original dream was to rip off the memory and VSAs and replace them with faster mem and VSA-101 chips. But when I learned that the two chips are not pinout-compatible, I gave it all up, since you can't expect too much clockspeed gain by just changing the VRAM to faster one anyway...

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    Stolzer Besitzer eines 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 AGP Prototypen:

    • 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 AGP HiNT Rev.A-3700

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  • You don't understand !

    The card works perfectly with new sdram now ! My Voodoo 5 6000 is a full working card !

    @186 mhz at startup(by default) , the test with 3dmark2001se is ok :)

    The modded bios version is 1.19 @ 186 mhz

    Look this link : http://www.forumzone.it/showthread.php?t=37403

    3 Mal editiert, zuletzt von n950 (11. Oktober 2011 um 16:34)

  • What changes it? Nothing...
    Yet another manipulated card with lower value. The community cares for the "wellness" of these cards and your're destroying these rare cards and making risky and senseless experiements with it just for a better score in stupid benchmarks. Shame on you! Someone like you should not own such a card!
    Obi Wan aka Gold Leader was absolutely right about you.

    Was ändert's? Nichts...
    Noch eine manipulierte Karte mit niedrigem Wert. Die Community sorgt sich um die "Gesundheit" der Karten und du zerstörst diese seltenen Karten und machst riskante und sinnlose Experimente damit, nur damit du einen bessere Score in idiotischen Benchmarks hast. Schande über dich! So einer wie du sollte nicht eine solche Karte besitzen!
    Obi Wan aka gold Leader hatte Recht, was dich betrifft.

    @Mods
    Sollte jemanden mein Posting nicht passen, so sollte es gelöscht werden. Ich rege mich gerade doch etwas darüber auf.

    "Du bist und bleibst a Mensch und du kannst eben net deine menschlichkeit überwinden."

    Dennis_50300

  • Ich finde es prinzipiell gut zu versuchen, eine "Super-6000" zu bauen, aber ein Tausch der RAM Chips gegen solche gleicher Dichte mit schnellerer Zugriffszeit/Taktmöglichkeit ist einfach nicht genug, um so eine Modifikation zu rechtfertigen, meiner Meinung nach. Wenn, dann richtig, mit 0.18µm VSA Chips und 256MB. Da würde sich der Versuch wenigstens auszahlen.

    1-6000-banner-88x31-jpg

    Stolzer Besitzer eines 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 AGP Prototypen:

    • 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 AGP HiNT Rev.A-3700

    [//wp.xin.at] - No RISC, no fun!

    QotY: Girls Love, BEST Love; 2018 - Lo and behold, for it is the third Coming; The third great Year of Yuri, citric as it may be! Edit: 2019 wasn't too bad either... Edit: 2020... holy crap, we're on a roll here~♡!

    Quote Bier.jpg@IRC 2020: "Je schlimmer der Fetisch, desto besser!"

  • Ich finde es prinzipiell gut zu versuchen, eine "Super-6000" zu bauen, aber ein Tausch der RAM Chips gegen solche gleicher Dichte mit schnellerer Zugriffszeit/Taktmöglichkeit ist einfach nicht genug, um so eine Modifikation zu rechtfertigen, meiner Meinung nach. Wenn, dann richtig, mit 0.18µm VSA Chips und 256MB. Da würde sich der Versuch wenigstens auszahlen.

    Bring den bitte nicht auf falsche Gedanken. Die Karte tut mir jetzt schon leid.

    "Du bist und bleibst a Mensch und du kannst eben net deine menschlichkeit überwinden."

    Dennis_50300

  • Die Möglichkeiten zu einer Modifikation wie von mir beschrieben hat auf diesem Planeten sowieso keiner... :rolleyes:

    1-6000-banner-88x31-jpg

    Stolzer Besitzer eines 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 AGP Prototypen:

    • 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 AGP HiNT Rev.A-3700

    [//wp.xin.at] - No RISC, no fun!

    QotY: Girls Love, BEST Love; 2018 - Lo and behold, for it is the third Coming; The third great Year of Yuri, citric as it may be! Edit: 2019 wasn't too bad either... Edit: 2020... holy crap, we're on a roll here~♡!

    Quote Bier.jpg@IRC 2020: "Je schlimmer der Fetisch, desto besser!"

  • CryptonNite :

    One of all my v5k6 card is modded so why you are so nervous ? What is your problem ?
    I am serious I don't want to kill my card. I do not use it very often (once a month), so her lifetime is longer than your own life !!!
    When I am dead my card will be still living... !!!
    Why you say that ?

    Thanks ;)

  • Some people don't like Voodoo5 6000 cards to be modified and/or put to risk by whatever soldering work you want to do. This is an understandable reaction. I myself would (as I said above) only risk a modification if it's really worth it, e.g. replacing the VSAs with 101, doubling the memory capacity and speed etc. However, at the current state of common knowledge something like that is impossible, as the community simply lacks the necessary technical documentation to pull off such a stunt. Might be worth risking a single card IMHO.

    But some people believe, no hardware modification should be attempted on a v5 6000 unless absolutely necessary (like for repairs or CR3/CR4 removal etc.). As the numbers of living v5 6000 are in decline, this is an understandable reaction.

    Also, some people value the mint condition of the card for ideological reasons.

    btw., your cards will most likely not outlive you, because even in powered off state, silicon chips undergo a process of degradation, which is unstoppable under normal condititions. So chances are, that there will be no living VSA chip left in about 30-40 years...

    ==

    Einige Leute sehen es nicht gerne, wenn Voodoo5 6000 Karten modifiziert und/oder durch Lötarbeiten einem Risiko ausgesetzt werden, was eine verständliche Reaktion ist. Ich selbst würde (wie oben gesagt) nur eine Modifikation riskieren, die es wirklich wert ist, also ein Ersetzen der VSAs durch 101, Verdoppelung der Speicherkapazität und -geschwindigkeit etc. Das ist aber beim momentanen öffentlichen Wissensstand unmöglich, weil der Community einfach die nötigen technischen Spezifikationen nicht vorliegen, um so einen Stunt durchzuführen. So etwas wäre es IMHO wert eine einzelne Karte zu riskieren.

    Manche Menschen denken, es sollte gar keine Hardwaremodifikation an einer v5 6000 versucht werden, außer es ist absolut notwendig (wie Reparaturen oder ein Entfernen von CR3/CR4 etc.). Da die Anzahl der lebenden v5 6000 immer geringer wird, ist dies ein verständlicher Standpunkt.

    Zusätzlich dazu schätzen einige auch einfach den Originalzustand der Karten, aus ideologischen Gründen.

    Übrigens, deine Karten werden dich höchstwahrscheinlich nicht überleben, da Siliziumchips auch im ausgeschalteten Zustand einem Prozess der Degeneration unterliegen, der unter normalen Bedingungen unaufhaltsam ist. Es ist also nicht so ganz unwahrscheinlich, daß es in 30-40 Jahren keinen einzigen lebenden VSA chip mehr gibt...

    1-6000-banner-88x31-jpg

    Stolzer Besitzer eines 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 AGP Prototypen:

    • 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 AGP HiNT Rev.A-3700

    [//wp.xin.at] - No RISC, no fun!

    QotY: Girls Love, BEST Love; 2018 - Lo and behold, for it is the third Coming; The third great Year of Yuri, citric as it may be! Edit: 2019 wasn't too bad either... Edit: 2020... holy crap, we're on a roll here~♡!

    Quote Bier.jpg@IRC 2020: "Je schlimmer der Fetisch, desto besser!"

    2 Mal editiert, zuletzt von GrandAdmiralThrawn (11. Oktober 2011 um 19:57)

  • @GAT :

    Thanks a lot for all these informations :)

    Now the card is in TEST for a moment !

    When I would finish testing the card I would come back with results.

    Thanks for all :)

  • @ n950: i didn't know that there is also a moded bios version called 1.19 that already start at boot with 186mhz.
    Did you mod the bios?
    Can you please dump the bios and post it here?
    Thanks.

  • What changes it? Nothing...
    Yet another manipulated card with lower value. The community cares for the "wellness" of these cards and your're destroying these rare cards and making risky and senseless experiements with it just for a better score in stupid benchmarks. Shame on you! Someone like you should not own such a card!
    Obi Wan aka Gold Leader was absolutely right about you.

    There are plenty of people with modded 6000's. I think you need to calm down and respect other peoples opinions and let them do what they want. Just because you don't want or like it doesn't give you the right to decide for others what to do. The same counts for some others who have got long histories of nannying other people. :thumbdown:

    I applaud Trevor for doing this work and taking the 6000's to a next level. :thumbup:

    2 Mal editiert, zuletzt von Tim (12. Oktober 2011 um 13:40)


  • I applaud Trevor for doing this work and taking the 6000's to a next level.

    This is not the next level as you said before, imho. Modifying the card with VSA101s is a goal, but impossible to do. So replacing the RAM to make overclocking better is useless because you're limited by the VSAs. A good compromise would be to make the cards run with 256 MB RAM which is possible as we know from modified 5k5s.

    "Du bist und bleibst a Mensch und du kannst eben net deine menschlichkeit überwinden."

    Dennis_50300

  • I respect you and youre project, because the work is hard. And you've done it.
    so the first thing i thought was:"Wow, he did it, he's really a good technican/electronican".

    And as long your card rest still the first card with this modification, it's allright. So don't start to mod all V5-6000 Cards you've heard of.

    When i remember right: wasn't it the primary goal of 3dfx to run the V56k at 183mhz?
    So now 3dfx got it. (Although with a little help from a great fan).

    That's all.

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  • Crash486 :

    Thanks :)

    This card can reach 194 mhz easily ( without freeze )

    The VSA chip 3700_A V6K rev 330, capable of supporting speeds up to 220MHz.

    Now, I keep changing my card to exceed 200 mhz easily.

    I'll keep you informed of the results obtained.

  • I find this projekt amazing.

    There are a lot of discussion on differents forums regarding the voodoo5 6000 projects and mods, like- what would be if ..the card would work @250Mhz, what would be if ..the card would have 256mb , what would be if the card will work @AGP4x, wonder if.........and so on...just supposition, nothing real and concret !

    Now, it finally happent and we can get the answer to our questions....... :respekt:

    Of course, not everybody has the possibility and knowledge to do this...some prefer to keep the card in the original state ( like me ), some to test her to the limit...
    I do respect all user opinion...no offense !..

    As long as there is no dead card, there is nothing to worry about :spitze: