AAlchemy 8164: Wo gibt's Screenshots von 16x SGSSAA?

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    Original von feinripp
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    800$, sind etwas viel


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    Und hier noch ein blöder Spruch den nicht jeder sehen kann.
    :spitze: Anscheinend ist es ja mittlerweile modern, Schriftfarben zu nutzen die man nur in einem der beiden Designs sehen kann :spitze:

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    Original von Raff
    Wenn das NT so viel kostet wie die Karte, dann hört der Spaß auf. ;) Wäre ja auch zu geil, wenn das Ding einfach in "normalen" PCs laufen würde. Die V5 6000 sieht daneben ziemlich alt aus. ;)

    MfG,
    Raff

    die karten sind leztens bei ebay für 150euro raus
    ich hab meine noch "etwas" teurer gekauft :(


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    Und hier noch ein blöder Spruch den nicht jeder sehen kann.
    :spitze: Anscheinend ist es ja mittlerweile modern, Schriftfarben zu nutzen die man nur in einem der beiden Designs sehen kann :spitze:

    FSAA x16 ist nich moglich mit die 8164, wenn kein FSAA ist nicht gebraucht dan gegen allein zei VSA-100 zu arbeit mit FSAA x4 4 VSA-100's un mit FSAA x8 alle 8 VSA-100's so haben die arbeiters miet die 8164's kein bottle necks mit kein FSAA, FSAA x4 oder FSAA x8.

    FSAA x2 ist nich moglich.

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    Original von Chosen_One
    in english please! in english....


    Well since this is a german forum, I sometimes try to fit in ;)

    okay well it's that an 8164 can't do FSAA x16 as FSAA x2 ;)

    it works really alot different than like out Voodoo5 5000's, 5500's as 6000's do, it works like this:

    when no FSAA is used there will only be 2 of the 8 VSA-100's in use for 3D opperation.

    When FSAA x4 is used 4 of the 8 chips will be used

    when FSAA x8 is used all 8 will be set into action , why this strange way of do'n?
    Well it simple it's to eliminate bottlenecks as large framedrops between no FSAA, FSAA x4 as FSAA x8 modes, this way you keep a very fluid frame rate of 85 fps for example in Q3A :)

    go here and read how Gary got it to work:
    http://www.thedodgegarage.com/3dfx/q3d_aalchemy.htm

    even the driver shows that there are three modes to choose from:
    http://www.imagehosting.com/out.php/i95120…ertieslarge.jpg

    No FSAA, FSAA x4 as FSAA x8 and no FSAA x16 as many have thought or hoped about heh :rolleyes:

    But how things will go with a 2 card setup aka 8264 as a 4 card setup aka 8464 I'm not so sure, maybe the same kind of way so per card you kan doe FSAA x4 as FSAA x8 on several monitors but thanks to the 8VSA-100's per card the framedrops per monitor won't be laggy orsay framedropped.

    Anyways something in that kind of order :)

    So only with the FSAA x8 mode you will benefit from the 4 extra VSA-100's since the framerate will be that same as FSAA x4 on a Voodoo5 6000 ;)

    Maybe I am wrong, but I thought 16xFSAA isnt possible only on Gary´s card because there SLI is broken on the second half of the card.
    If 16xFSAA isnt possible at all then a 8164 should be twice as fast as a V5-6000, not sure if this is really true.
    Somewhere I read that no extra speed is gained from 8xVSA100, everything is used to improve image quality.

    Nope if FSAA x16 would be possible the drivers would of shown that possibillity ;)

    let's go back with the Voodoo5 5000 AGP remember when using it in an NT OS it doesn't work in SLI mode? the FSAA x2 as x4 settings are visable in the driver, only they don't work look :)

    Under 2000 Pro with x-3dfx Control Panel & AM 3.1 R11 as driver
    [Blockierte Grafik: http://www.3dfx.ch/gallery/d/6923-2/V5K_FSAA_x4_setting.jpg]

    And here under 98SE with AM2.9 as Control Panel 3dfx Reference 1.04.00 WHQL as driver:
    [Blockierte Grafik: http://www.3dfx.ch/gallery/d/6944-2/Voodoo5_5000_AGP_FSAA_x4_setting.jpg]

    The settings are the same which is logical hehe, since a driver doesn't decide which FSAA modes are avalable on acard, it just shows what the hardare can dow qua FSAA :)

    I can sellect the FSAA x4 setting , but when running a game like UT GOTYE 1999 it just didn't work I got a black screen, but under 98SE everything was fine.

    SO to get back to the 8164, it doesn't do FSAA x16 if the drivers would show that extra setting like them of the 5000 AGP do. 8)

    Like Gary explains on how it really works with as without FSAA modes about the impact difference qua performance:

    "The big thing about AAlchemy is image quality- People see a board with 8 chips and assume it is going to be a speed monster. Performance is fair but where AAlchemy really shines is when Anti-Aliasing is enabled as it virtually has no impact on performance.

    An example how AAlchemy works is to look at a Mercury- Mercury is no faster then a Voodoo II SLI rig because each board is handling the same scene which is then blended into one final output. I'm not sure if some of the chips chips on AAlchemy are actually idle when Anti-Aliasing is disabled but I can tell you there is no performance impact when AA is togged on and off during benchmarks."

    The 8164 does FSAA x4 and FSAA x8 only and in a way that the extra chips jump in when a mode is chosen.

    2 chips = no FSAA
    4 chips = FSAA x4
    8 chips is FSAA x8

    Gary did explain me this this way when I had a chat to him via msn one day heh.

    And the 8164 was designed to have free FSAA without a performance drop so FSAA would theoretically be posible only the performance hit would be like suicide like out 5000's as 5500's would hassle with FSAA x4 as our 6000's with FSAA x8 ;)

    GrandAdmiralThrawn just told me this via ICQ hehe thanx man.

    mh, something to add about the drivers:

    on my voodoo5, where the second chip is "burned out", the 3dfx-Tools only offer me AA 2x and no more AA4x - it also only displays 32 mb of ram and one vsa-100 chip...
    but i also think that the 8164 isn't able to to render 16x AA....

    We are using it to make a difference.

    heeh indeed you're right same here if FSAA x16 would of been possible then there would be a FSAA x2 option in the driver as well as FSAA x4 as x8 are :) but since that FSAA x2 is not as interresting as FSAA x4 as FSAA x8 it was left aside.

    Ihad the same with my Voodoo5 5500 AGP DOA it worked for a shot while lol, Linux saw it as a Voodoo4 4500 haha the front VSA-100 as it ram was intact the back VSA-100 as ram was defect :X Voodoo5 5500 AGP 32MB under linux as under linux Voodoo4 4500 AGP 32MB lol wierd stuff.

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    Original von Chosen_One
    in english please! in english....

    Ne da danke ich doch Rechtherzlich...
    Jetzt darf man schon in einen Deutschen Forum nicht deutsch reden...
    (man muß ja immer und unbedingt rücksicht nehmen)

    In einen englischen forum wird da keine rücksicht genommen... da wird man sogar ignoriert wenn es falsch geschrieben ist (bemühungen zählen nicht)

    Und was machen dann die, die kein Englisch können?
    ich hoffe du übersetzt alles schön damit auch andere in den genuss von den Interessanten Infos kommen!!! (das erwarte ich dann schon von dir)

    [SIZE=7]mir ist mal eben der Kragen geplatzt...[/SIZE]

    heh german isn't a world language like English, nowadays about 80% of the globe can speak english or learn it at school ;)

    So it is obvious that an english forum we mostly await that everyone there can speak english at least hehe on e erman forum like this one you would expect that germans can speak english like most other europeans can ;)

    Chosen_one is right, I should write in english because really my german is very bad qua writing hehe I can read as talk it though not every word is clear heh.

    Aber simpele dingen kan ich doch wel schreiben, aber nich alles, das sie das besser kan dan mich

    in a way of saying in avery literal way:
    well I can write simple things but not everything like you can.

    mein excuus fur mein slechte deutsch

    my appologies for my bad german, as my keyboard is english as well :topmodel:

    Ja genau das ist so ein bitchen oder bichen ? heh

    Aber nicht so perfect als sie allen ach ja, dank zu dieser site ist mein Deutsch jedenmal nesser gewurden als vier jahre zurück :)

    oke aber mein technischen posts schreibe ich im Englische Sprache ;)

    The tech parts I prefer the english parts, it's amuch easier way to get in to the details ;)
    oh als Translator gebrauche ich vielen malen diesere:
    http://www.freetranslation.com/

    sehr guttes translator.