AMD/Ati Tahiti XT: Radeon 7970 Launch

Verschoben.

ATi Dept. AMD wins hands down, they have the world's most powerful graphics chip on the market and also the world's first DX 11.1 card on the market too!
Looks like I'll be going Red again gents

Many more reviews here
http://gathering.tweakers.net/forum/list_mes…370059#37370059
http://www.expertreviews.co.uk/graphics-cards…-radeon-hd-7970
http://www.ixbt.com/video3/tahiti-part1.shtml
http://vr-zone.com/articles/amd-r…ands/14307.html
http://www.guru3d.com/article/amd-radeon-hd-7970-review/
http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware…3gb-review.html
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5261/amd-radeon-hd-7970-review
http://www.hardocp.com/article/2011/1…deo_card_review
http://www.overclockers.com/amd-radeon-hd-…cs-card-review/
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon…i-gcn,3104.html
http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Graphi…iew-Tahiti-28nm
http://hothardware.com/Reviews/AMD-Ra…iti-GPU-Review/
http://hexus.net/tech/reviews/g…on-hd-7970-3gb/
http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/AMD-Ra…ard-Review/1458
http://www.maximumpc.com/article/featur…ure_performance
http://www.expertreviews.co.uk/graphics-cards…-radeon-hd-7970
http://www.computerbase.de/artikel/grafik…radeon-hd-7970/
http://www.pcgameshardware.de/aid,860536/Tes…afikkarte/Test/
http://www.kitguru.net/components/gra…cs-card-review/
http://www.neoseeker.com/Articles/Hardw…ws/AMD_HD_7970/
http://www.clubic.com/carte-graphiqu…970-tahiti.html
http://www.lesnumeriques.com/carte-graphiqu…12460/test.html
http://widescreengamingforum.com/article/amd-ra…ew-benchmarking
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OoGzSbaFVuI
http://ht4u.net/reviews/2011/a…rn_island_test/

Crossfire reviews:
http://www.hardwareheaven.com/reviews/1362/p…troduction.html

PCI-E 2.0 vs PCI-E 3.0
http://img.clubic.com/04837868-photo…d-7970-pcie.jpg

Ich bin wirklich überrascht.
AMD hats tatsächlich geschafft.
~30% mehr Leistung als meine GTX580 und dabei weniger Verbrauch.

Ich ärger mich gerad schon n bisschen, dass ich mir vor 2 Monaten die GTX580 gekauft hab ...

Geile Karte - im Prinzip das, was ich mir von Ati (AMD) seit der X19xx erwarte. Bin gespannt, was da noch treiberseitig rausgeholt wird. Der Idle Verbrauch ist einfach nur genial und die Komplettabschaltung der Karte auch n sinnvolles Feature

Also bei 4,31 Mrd Transistoren in 28nm Fertigung hätte ich mir ehrlich gesagt etwas mehr erwartet. Der Cayman (HD6970) hat 2,64 Mrd Transistoren, sprich der Tahiti (HD7970) hat 63% mehr Transistoren und schafft es aber nur auf ca. 30-35% Mehrleistung. Zudem taktet die HD7970 höher als die HD6970.

Versteht mich nicht falsch, die HD7970 ist eine gute Karte, aber ich hätte mir noch ein wenig mehr erwartet.

Bin gespannt welche Architektur sich später als effizienter erweist, Nvidia mit einem aufgebohrten Fermi oder GCN von AMD.

Erstmal abwarten, denn der Kepler wird wohl sooo lange auch nicht mehr auf sich warten lassen, und das ist der eigentliche Gegner des 7970.

Aber 3,8TFlops sind schon imposant.

Ja das stimmt schon mit den Transistoren, aber bei der HD7970 hat man eben auch eine "neue" Architektur eingeführt, die erstmal treiberseitig und zum anderen auch evtl von den Anwendungen / Spielen gescheit unterstützt werden muss. Ich denk mal, in 2 - 3 Monaten bzw in mit den nächsten Treiberupdates wird da noch n paar Prozent Mehrleistung rausgekitzelt.

@ Löschzwerg

The tessellator on the HD 7970 is superb as it annihilates the tessellator NV uses easily and this is just 1 Tahiti XT VPU with raw launch beta drivers, which will be improved with future releases likewise:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5261/amd-…-7970-review/23
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Driver 12.1 Beta was used and then giving such good results with a production board, it's something I never seen on a NVIDIA GPU in a very long time.

As for GCN, this is where the HD 7970 really stands out with:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5261/amd-…-7970-review/22
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In my humble opinion AMD has brought a killer to the market and these are just first release scores on beta drivers ... I remember when the GTX 480 came on the market, it sucked actually compared to the HD 5870 as it was a mere 15% faster rofl and consumed more than 50% the amount of power.
It's that I find it extremely hilarious and funny to see you rant such a good card off all of a sudden just after it has been released, it has not even been tested half a day, as here it gives a neat 41% boost over it's predecessor the HD 6970

Also this is a much better improvement than the that the GTX 580 was over the GTX 480, as this difference was less than 20% @ launch.
CFX scaling has also improved over SLI scaling per graphics chip, which is something AMD already had mastered with their 6800 & 6900 series, many thanks to the Catalyst 11.xx drivers, the new drivers will be even better.

Anyways I kinda had it with NVIDIA had many driver issues with them lately, now that the Radeon HD 7970 proved it's awesomeness and that it also has a much more improved video convertor built in and better OpenCL acceleration, it wins all rounds for my needs, CUDA will be obselete since OpenCL will replace CUDA within a short period of time, OpenCL is less complicated and is much faster than CUDA, as the Tessellation & CGN tests have clearly shown.

My post may read very pro Radeon but after having a chat with some AMD devs they also gave me them links I all posted in my previous post proving that these are hard facts and nothing more. AMD has the best 1 chip card on the market and it has surely deserved it's place, there is no way going around it either.

Peace

You clearly didn't get what I was trying to say and I'm not ranting about the new Radeon, where did I do that?!

All I say is that for this high transistor of Tahiti count the performance is not that great, nothing more If you call this ranting, I'm ranting on every card out there, 'cause none is perfect.

The tessellator annihilates nvidia?! Oh man... I will prove you that you are wrong

Let's see what Unigine Heaven 2.5 shows us here (Benchmarks taken from Computerbase and I only take the 1x AA scores for better understanding):

None Tess GTX 580: 68,1 FPS -> 100%
Moderate Tess GTX 580: 61,1 FPS -> 89,72%
Normal Tess GTX 580: 56,3 FPS -> 82,67%
Extreme Tess GTX 580: 43,9 FPS -> 64,46%

None Tess HD7970: 86,9 FPS -> 100%
Moderate Tess HD7970: 76,3 FPS -> 87,80%
Normal Tess HD7970: 69,5 FPS -> 79,97%
Extreme Tess HD7970: 51,7 FPS -> 59,49%

See what I mean? For me this not an annihilation, it's not even equal to the efficiency of the tessellator of NV. But the Tahiti GPU is at least much more faster when it comes to tessellation than Cayman and thats most important.

In what I agree is that the GCN architecture is a good step forward when looking at the old VLIW4 design. AF Bug was fixed, tessellation has much less impact in performance, 3GB of memory, great ZeroCore Technology, very fast at high resolutions and when using SSAA.

But there are also some things I am missing: SSAA with DX10/11, possibility of downsampling, a silent cooling solution.

OpenCL, CUDA??? Doesn't bother me anyway

So, to get to the point: The HD7970 is the fastest single GPU card around and I see a lot potential in the GCN architecture, but it's not perfect. I will see what NV produces to counter the HD7900 series and I hope for a good fight so prices will drop.

Edit: And one thing at the end, please don't always get pissed when I'm saying something negative about AMD, I'm not pro NV I'm just a critical user If I would be pro NV I would say the GTX 590 is the best card in the world... what clearly isn't the case

@all: Ja, Voodooalert ist ein deutsches Forum, bin jetzt aber trotzdem zu faul meinen Post zu übersetzen. Bitte drückt hier mal nen Auge zu

Wann soll das NVIDIA Gegenstück erscheinen?
Erst dann kann man sehen, was AMD da wirklich auf die Beine gestellt hat...

Dass eine 7970 schneller ist als die jetztige Generation....nunja...davon sollte man ausgehen. Sonst wäre die Entwicklungsarbeit wohl leicht für den Anus gewesen oder?

Ich glaub im März?

Zitat von Chosen_One

Dass eine 7970 schneller ist als die jetztige Generation....nunja...davon sollte man ausgehen. Sonst wäre die Entwicklungsarbeit wohl leicht für den Anus gewesen oder?

AMD hats auch geschafft dass der Bulldozer z.T. langsamer als ein Phenom ist
Aber das is n anderes Thema

Zitat von Der_Karlson

AMD hats auch geschafft dass der Bulldozer z.T. langsamer als ein Phenom ist
Aber das is n anderes Thema

Komm mir nicht mit Fakten und Beispielen, die meine Aussage falsch erscheinen lassen...

Da kann ich garnich mit um...

Zitat von Löschzwerg

You clearly didn't get what I was trying to say and I'm not ranting about the new Radeon, where did I do that?!

All I say is that for this high transistor of Tahiti count the performance is not that great, nothing more If you call this ranting, I'm ranting on every card out there, 'cause none is perfect.

The tessellator annihilates nvidia?! Oh man... I will prove you that you are wrong

Let's see what Unigine Heaven 2.5 shows us here (Benchmarks taken from Computerbase and I only take the 1x AA scores for better understanding):

None Tess GTX 580: 68,1 FPS -> 100%
Moderate Tess GTX 580: 61,1 FPS -> 89,72%
Normal Tess GTX 580: 56,3 FPS -> 82,67%
Extreme Tess GTX 580: 43,9 FPS -> 64,46%

None Tess HD7970: 86,9 FPS -> 100%
Moderate Tess HD7970: 76,3 FPS -> 87,80%
Normal Tess HD7970: 69,5 FPS -> 79,97%
Extreme Tess HD7970: 51,7 FPS -> 59,49%

See what I mean? For me this not an annihilation, it's not even equal to the efficiency of the tessellator of NV. But the Tahiti GPU is at least much more faster when it comes to tessellation than Cayman and thats most important.

In what I agree is that the GCN architecture is a good step forward when looking at the old VLIW4 design. AF Bug was fixed, tessellation has much less impact in performance, 3GB of memory, great ZeroCore Technology, very fast at high resolutions and when using SSAA.

But there are also some things I am missing: SSAA with DX10/11, possibility of downsampling, a silent cooling solution.

OpenCL, CUDA??? Doesn't bother me anyway

So, to get to the point: The HD7970 is the fastest single GPU card around and I see a lot potential in the GCN architecture, but it's not perfect. I will see what NV produces to counter the HD7900 series and I hope for a good fight so prices will drop.

Edit: And one thing at the end, please don't always get pissed when I'm saying something negative about AMD, I'm not pro NV I'm just a critical user If I would be pro NV I would say the GTX 590 is the best card in the world... what clearly isn't the case

@all: Ja, Voodooalert ist ein deutsches Forum, bin jetzt aber trotzdem zu faul meinen Post zu übersetzen. Bitte drückt hier mal nen Auge zu

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Hmm hard to agree, since I see no source where you got those numbers from, as for 3D Mark ... uhm LMAO that's a POS every smart VGA card tester knows this.

Here some sweet hard facts, to prove you wrong
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"Again the 7970 does incredibly well here compared to AMD’s past architectures. AMD already did rather well here even with the limited compute performance of their VLIW4 architecture, and with GCN AMD once again puts their old architectures to shame, and puts NVIDIA to shame too in the process. Among single-GPU cards the GTX 580 is the closest competitor and even then the 7970 leads it by 72%. The story is much the same for the 7970 versus the 6970, where the 7970 leads by 74%. If AMD can continue to deliver on performance gains like these, the GCN is going to be a formidable force in the HPC market when it eventually makes its way there."

Love that red bolded sentence and this was just tested with a beta driver package, things can only get better and you are saying that the Tessellation performance of NV is better NOT rofl. NVIDIA get's crushed, facts man they say more than just some posted words that lead to nothing, Anandtech also has a good history of making very reliable and neutral tests.

Anyways that you are standing upt for NVIDIA makes a lot of sense to me now, all I have to do is post some facts and that changes everything rofl.

Kepler will be more powerful that might eb the case indeed! But Price performance AMD wins this hands down, you could connect 4x HD 7970 on a 1000Watt PSU as where fr 4x GTX 580 you'd need a good 1250 to 1500 Watt PSU, Price performance & performance per watt is an advantage with these HD 7970's

They have DX 11.1, the questions also remains will NV just stick to DX11.0 like they stuck to DX 10.0 with their GTX 200 series as where ATI.AMD had DX10.1 in advantage, same now would be that ATI.AMD has DX11.1 over NV's DX11.0
CUDA is still widely used but it seems that OpenCL is far more powerful and is more user friendly for both teams, what CUDA is capable of, OpenCL can do also, as for APEX this can also be done via OpenCL.

you only need 1 Radeon to drive 5x 30"TFT's plus you have AMD HD 3D vision which is like 3D Vision NV uses, only you still need 2 cards for 3D Vision, the AMD solution has abetter overlay per screen and it also has a lesser performance hit, as game support goes NVIDIA does still have the upper hand here, for now.

Here and there they both have nice packages, but overall the Radeon is the best choice for those that seek an upgrade for Q1 of 2012, the Keplers have been delayed to Q2 of 2012 also, they will be a big power hungry chip, but I could be wrong about this, some say it's the new G92, which will do NVIDIA a lot of good TDP wise And I hope a new style G92 will be made, that would be better than them big hot super chips.

We'll have to see, AMD might launch their R1000 New Zeeland XT aka Radeon HD 7990, we seen how the HD 6990 won from the GTX 590 and how CFX scaling dominated SLI scaling in the end, just due to better drivers.

Things could be different this run. ut I think that the Radeon is getting it's place back which it had with the 9700 Pro, X800 XT PE, X1900 XTX, HD 6990.
Interesting times are uprising and a good competition can only give us a healthy market